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This is the web archive of the regular post to a.d.p.c. It is updated as often as possible, but you should check your local news server for the most recent copy.
!! INDOOR YIELD-O-RAMA 6/5/98 !!
Modifications to this YOR include the following:
1 - New text was added to the "canopy" calculation instructions.
2 - The "Seq" field was added. This field simply tracks the original
sequence of entries, and this order continues to be the YOR default.
From time to time future YOR's will be listed according to various
sort criteria. This will probably take place on weeks where no new
contributions were made. This will group similar entries together,
making for some interesting displays. The Seq field will allow the
original default sequence to be restored, and also give a point of
refererence for entries during the sorted displays.
3 - The HARVEST field was shortened and renamed to HVST. Its data item
titles were also shortened to accomodate the new field length. See
the YOR instructions for the data items.
4 - The MEDIUM,STOCK field heading was slightly modified.
For your information, here's some averages for the entire YOR to date:
GRAMS DRYWT = 27.4
WATTS = 56
STOCK@sq ft = 1.31
days = 62
See "HOW TO MAKE A YOR CONTRIBUTION" at the bottom of this message for
more info on the column headings and how figures are calculated.
All grams and watts values are per square foot of garden canopy:
GRAMS MEDIUM, cypher
Seq DRYWT HVST WATTS/LIGHTING ,STOCK@sqft variety hrs/day garden
--- ----- ---- --------------- --------- ---- ------- ------- 123456
001 17.5 MAN 40 FLOR HYDR,CLON 0.25 I 12/115 EGTEG-
002 17.4 MAN 40 HPS+FLOR SOIL,CLON V ------
003 9.6 MAN 17 /FLOR T TRON,CLON 0.75 I XNPEZ-
004 28.7 MAN 62 HPS+FLOR HYDR,SEED 1.28 N#5xC,F2 14/60 TC--O-
005 11.0 MAN 50 MH SOIL,CLON 1.25 O --E--T
006 31.2 MAN 64 HPS SOIL,CLON BxS#1 ------
007 37.9 RAW 54 HPS+MH HYDR,CLON S -----F
008 32.1 MAN 73 MH+HPS/FLOR HYDR,SEED N ------
009 33.5 MAN 60 HPS HYDR,CLON S ------
010 6.5 MAN 46 FLOR SOIL,SEED 1.00 A MYBFTU
011 34.1 MAN 115 HPS HYDR,CLON O ER----
012 66.2 MAN 133 HPS HYDR,CLON O ------
*** 1997 ***
013 37.9 MAN 100 HPS/FLOR HYDR,CLON O ---D--
014 6.2 MAN 13 HPS HYDR,CLON O ------
015 20.3 MAN 40 FLOR HYDR,CLON 0.25 I 12/106 EGTEG-
016 23.6 MAN 50 HPS+FLOR HYDR,SEED NxB,NxK#1xH -----T
017 11.0 MAN 70 HPS/FLOR SOIL,SEED 1.00 O 12/57 ------
018 38.7 MAN 60 HPS Agro HYDR,CLON 3.40 N#5xDxJ(f2),G 12/48 TR-VGF
019 14.0 MAN 65 HPS/FLOR SOIL,SEED 1.00 I 12/43 ------
020 11.3 MAN 46 FLOR SOIL,CLON 1.00 A MYNFT-
021 9.3 MAN 20 HPS HYDR,CLON 3.43 A PGBFG-
022 13.0 MAN 77 FLOR+HPS SOIL,REVE 0.33 O 12/91 ------
023 55.0 MAN 113 HPS Agro HYDR,SEED 0.80 I 12/63 USEDGT
024 14.0 MAN 36 HPS+MH HYDR,CLON 1.10 N 12/48 NGMDIL
025 31.7 MAN 62 HPS Agro HYDR,CLON 0.86 A 12/66 TSEDFM
026 15.5 MAN 35 HPS HYDR,CLON 1.57 A 12/40 TJBFGI
027 17.5 MAN 40 FLOR HYDR,CLON 0.25 I 12/101 EGTEGB
028 14.2 MAN 28 HPS+FLOR SOIL,SEED 1.00 NxT 12/44 MWTEVS
029 32.4 MAN 96 HPS HYDR,SEED 0.94 I 12/67 MJHFDF
030 35.4 MAN 54 HPS Agro HYDR,CLON 1.00 U 14/12/58 MNBUXF
031 12.5 MAN 40 FLOR SOIL,SEED K -YE--V
032 17.5 MAN 63 HPS SOIL,REVE 1.50 K#1xIxS 12/60 MWHDUS
033 37.1 MAN 96 HPS HYDR,CLON 1.25 K 12/62 MJSDHD
034 17.5 MAN 53 HPS Agro SOIL,SEED 1.50 WxO 12/75 MYEFWU
035 14.7 MAN 31 HPS+MH* HYDR,SEED 1.25 U 12/39 GGS--X
036 17.4 MAN 31 HPS+MH* HYDR,SEED 1.25 U 12/39 GGS--G
037 17.0 MAN 36 HPS HYDR,CLON 2.80 C 12/56 TRLUKA
038 27.0 MAN 63 HPS SOIL,SEED 4.00 K#1xI(F2) 12/50 MWHDUS
039 16.7 MAN 37 /FLOR\FLOR T HYDR,CLON 0.75 L 12/56 XWHFGS
040 19.2 MAN 54 FLOR/FLOR SOIL,SEED 1.70 KxI 12/47 MWBDRD
041 40.0 MAN 107 HPS/FLOR SOIL,CLON 0.16 Y 12/10/75 MWE-QS
042 15.5 MAN 26 FLOR SOIL,SEED 0.88 S 13/90 MYEDUA
043 58.0 MAN 100 HPS HYDR,SEED 1.00 O 12/90 UIKDCS
044 18.7 MAN 40 FLOR SOIL,SEED 0.87 O 12/11/98 MYEEQT
045 28.0 MAN 30 HPS HYDR,SEED 0.20 NxV 12/49 TJTEGI
*** 1998 ***
046 27.9 MAN 88 HPS SOIL,SEED 0.71 I,S MYEEQD
047 23.5 MAN 29 MH* HYDR,CLON 2.80 U 12/44 GGS--G
048 33.9 MAN 54 HPS* HYDR,SEED 1.00 M,N,W,AxKxS 12/54 ELEDGX
049 31.4 MAN 45 HPS HYDR,SEED O 12/60 EIEEGA
050 17.1 MAN 40 FLOR HYDR,CLON 0.12 I 12/104 EGTEGB
051 66.0 MAN 28 HPS+MH* HYDR,CLON 2.00 U 12/49 GGSVGS
052 32.7 MAN 50 HPS HYDR,CLON 2.00 HxK,P,Q 12/50 MRSVGS
053 41.8 MAN 60 HPS HYDR,MIX 6.00 A 12/54 EGSFGF
054 32.0 MAN 113 HPS HYDR,CLON 6.00 Z 12/55 PRS--S
055 48.6 MAN 56 HPS HYDR,CLON 0.90 O 12/70 TREDGI
056 13.1 MAN 37 /FLOR\FLOR T HYDR,CLON 0.75 L 12/53 MWKFGT
057 8.6 MAN 27 HPS* HYDR,SEED 1.28 O 12/70 TITCGQ
058 14.4 MAN 53 HPS! HYDR,CLON 1.20 K,N 12/67 IRSVGX
059 26.0 MAN 53 MH+HPS HYDR,SEED 1.00 K,NxV,a 12/63 UGKEGS
060 17.3 MAN 133 MH HYDR,CLON 0.75 OxW 12/51 ULLUHQ
061 37.4 MAN 31 HPS SOIL,SEED 0.80 V 12/65 TYEIUU
062 51.3 MAN 55 HPS HYDR,CLON 1.00 N 12/70 FGKDGS
063 24.0 MAN 54 HPS Agro HYDR,SEED 0.63 NxV 12/47 EHECGH
064 18.0 MAN 53 HPS! HYDR,CLON 1.40 K 12/68 IRSVGX
065 46.1 MAN 54 HPS* HYDR,CLON 1.00 AxKxS 12/60 ELEDGS
066 49.2 MAN 54 HPS* HYDR,CLON 1.00 AxKxS 12/63 ELEDGS
067 18.9 MAN 31 HPS* HYDR,CLON 0.94 AxKxS 12/45 ELEDGG
068 12.3 MAN 39 MH SOIL,CLON 0.80 K 12/42 MYEERA
069 8.1 MAN 39 MH SOIL,CLON 0.47 K 12/35 MYEVRX
070 60.0 MAN 54 HPS Agro HYDR,CLON 0.75 O 12/69 MOBDGS
071 59.5 MAN 63 HPS HYDR,CLON 0.81 OxW 12/63 ULBUHQ
072 56.3 MAN 63 HPS HYDR,CLON 0.75 OxW 12/64 ULBUHQ
073 14.3 RAW 53 HPS SOIL,SEED 0.38 O 12/105 MYHFQT
074 16.9 MAN 59 MH+HPS* HYDR,CLON 1.33 O 12/70 GITFGF
075 11.9 MAN 35 MH SOIL,SEED 0.59 d 12/51 MVECCA
076 31.2 MAN 50 HPS* SOIL,CLON 0.25 O 12/60 MYTEQT
077 45.9 MAN 63 HPS HYDR,CLON 0.93 OxW 12/51 ULBCHS
999 43.8 MAN 46 HPS! SOIL,CLON 1.37 White Kush 12/59 WNHVG-
Above is a temporary entry I'm making for Laughing Moon Seed Company's recent promotion
"Watch the Garden Grow". Thought it might be of interest since that grow
was so well documented and photographed. Data was taken from stats
available at their web site.
Variety Key (CASE SENSITIVE)
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Upper Case Listing Lower Case Listing
------------------------ -------------------------
A-Afghan a-Orange Bud
B-Big Bud
C-California Orange
D-911 d-Durban Poison
E-Early Pearl
Fn-Filial, n=Generation
G-Grapefruit Skunk
H-Haze
I-Indica
J-Chemo
K-Skunk
L-G13
M-Misty
N-Northern Lights
O-Origin unknown
P-Kush
Q-Kif
R-Ruderalis
S-Sativa
T-Texada Timewarp
U=Blueberry
V=Shiva Shanti
W=White Widow
x-Cross
Y=Bubbleberry
Z=Seattle Blue
cypher garden keys
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cypher
garden (for more instructions see the end of this page)
123456
?----- #1 IRRIGATION METHOD
-?---- #2 PRIMARY MEDIUM OR SOIL MIX
--?--- #3 PRIMARY METHOD OF GROWTH CONTROL
---?-- #4 CO2 ENRICHMENT AND/OR ACTIVE VENTING (venting only if no CO2)
----?- #5 PRIMARY NUTRIENT FORMULA (FERTILIZER)
-----? #6 PRIMARY LIMITING FACTOR ON YIELD (BEST GUESS)
Cypher#1 Cypher#2
IRRIGATION METHOD PRIMARY MEDIUM or SOIL MIX
------------------------- -----------------------------
A=Aeroponic A=
B= B=
C= C=Crushed Aggregate
D= D=
E=Ebb/Flow, subirrigation E=Polymer
F=Ebb/Flow, top feed F=Foam
G=Ebb/Flow, constant feed G=Geolite
H= H=Hydrocorn
I=NFT I=Expanded Clay Pellets
J= J=Vermiculite/Perlite
K= K=
L= L=Lava Rock
M=Manual, top feed hand M=Multiple Media
N=Manual, other N=Sphagnum
O= O=Other, not listed
P=Passive, aerated P=Pea Gravel, small
Q=Passive, wicks Q=Pea Gravel, large
R= R=Rockwool, 4 inch cube(s) only
S= S=Rockwool, slab
T=Top Feed, drip T=Rockwool, flock absorbent only
U=Top Feed, flow U=Rockwool, flock absorbent and repellent
V= V=Soil, only
W=Active, non-recycling W=Soil, Drainage Mix (eg-verm,perlite)
X=Active, non-draining X=Soil, Fertility Mix (eg-compost,manures)
Y= Y=Soil, Fertility & Drainage Mix
Z= Z=
Cypher#3 Cypher#4
PRIMARY METHOD OF CO2 ENRICHMENT AND/OR ACTIVE VENTING
GROWTH CONTROL (venting only if no CO2)
---------------------- --------------------------------------------
A= A=
B=Shoot Pruning B=
C= C=CO2 NOT used, no active venting
D= D=CO2 NOT used, constant venting
E=Bending/Crimping E=CO2 NOT used, automatic or timed venting
F= F=CO2 MOT used, manual venting
G= G=
H=Tying H=
I= I=CO2 Generator, flame
J= J=CO2 Generator, flame, auto vent
K=Natural, no controls K=
L=Natural,topped only @<1ft L=
M=Natural,topped only 1-2ft M=
N=Natural,topped only 2-3ft N=CO2 Generator, chemical
O=Natural,topped only 3ft+ O=CO2 Generator, chemical, auto vent
P=Pyraponics P=
Q= Q=
R= R=
S=Sea of Green (SOG) S=CO2 Tank, manual release
T=Trellis (ScrOG) T=CO2 Tank, manual release, auto vent
U= U=CO2 Tank, flow ctrl, sol release
V= V=CO2 Tank, Flow ctrl, sol release, auto vent
W= W=
X= X=CO2, Dry Ice
Y= Y=
Z= Z=
Cypher#5 PRIMARY NUTRIENT FORMULA (FERTILIZER)
---------------------------------------------------------------
A=
B=
C=Hydroponic formulation, Dyna-Gro Liquid
D=Hydroponic formulation, Other
E=Hydroponic formulation, Eco Brand, Dry
F=Hydroponic formulation, Eco Brand, Liquid
G=Hydroponic formulation, General Hydroponics Brand, Flora Series Liquid
H=Hydroponic formulation, General Hydroponics Brand, Other
I=Hydroponic formulation, Other, Dry
J=Hydroponic formulation, Other, Dry 2 part
K=Hydroponic formulation, Other, Liquid 2 part
L=Hydroponic formulation, Other, Liquid 3 part
M=Hydroponic formulation, Other, Liquid 4 part
N=Hydroponic formualtion, Other, Home Made
O=Hydroponic formulation, Mix of more than one brand
P=NO FERTILIZER USED
Q=Soil formulation, Peters Brand
R=Soil formulation, Miracle Grow Brand
S=Soil formulation, Rapid Gro Brand
T=Soil formulation, Other, Dry
U=Soil formulation, Other, Liquid
V=Soil formulation, Other, Home Made
W=Soil formulation, Organic, Dry
X=Soil formulation, Organic, Liquid
Y=
Z=Pyraponic
Cypher#6 - PRIMARY LIMITING FACTOR ON YIELD (BEST GUESS)
What primary improvement would you make to improve yield?
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A=Light Intensity
B=Nutrient Mix
C=Irrigation Schedule
D=Growing Medium
E=Water Source
F=Variety
G=Flowering Time
H=Venting
I=Insects
J=Vermin
K=Fungus/Mold
L=Gardener Laziness
M=Temperature/Humidity
N=Electrical or Power Company Problems
O=Unattended Garden During Long Holiday
P=Paranoia
Q=pH Control
R=Other People
S=No Limiting Factors (I'm satisfied with the yield)
T=Harvested or Flowered Too Soon or Canopy Not Full
U=Container Size
V=Growth Control/Pruning
W=This was my First Crop.
X=Experiment(s) Conducted
Y=
Z=
Want to plan a garden for a predetermined yield?
Want an idea how efficient different garden configurations are?
Can my garden produce more than I'm getting now with my setup?
Wonder what the yield might be when you upgrade your garden?
Wonder about the differences between soil and hydro?
How does lighting effect yield?
What will my garden yield if....?
This is not a competition, but rather an attempt to document what
is really going on out there. Answers to the above questions
(and possibly others) may become "very" obvious as this data
grows, maybe not. I believe this list holds info for the MAJOR
factors that influence yield, except for the eternally variable
seed, and TLC.
Seed vs clone stock is included to indicate that possibly males
have been removed thus leaving a canopy that "could" have
yielded more with the given hardware. With clones I feel it's
safe to assume a full canopy. Pulled males may result in gaps
and wasted space. Aside from the other infinite variables of
technique, I think this would be the most common affecting
yield so it was included. Variety has now been included as an
optional entry (see below).
ALL info is based on yield per square foot of garden canopy.
This seems to be a unit of measurement that almost anyone can
relate to. This way no one needs to disclose the size of the
entire garden, and can compare theirs to any on the list
regardless of size.
It's hoped that those wishing to contribute to the data do so with
accurate KNOWN figures. Guesses just water down its usefulness.
To contribute "post a reply" with your info (see below), just
modify the subject line by adding *NEW* to the end of it. Using
an anonymous remailer to post is always a good idea. I hope to be
able to add to the ongoing list from the posts until there are
enough different garden configurations listed to give a good
sampling. This should be interesting.
Needless to say the more entries there are, the better and more
reliable the data becomes. I'll make an effort to follow "valid"
posts and periodically repost a new list. I may miss some.
Wouldn't it be nice to see a post or two from seed banks where
they grow their own, with equipment they sell. How about it you
guys in Canada and the Netherlands, want to show us what can be
done with your products.
One final point. Whether or not you care to contribute to this
endeavor don't overlook it's value. Keeping data of this nature
for one's own subsequent crops will allow you to look back and
gauge your degree of success, as long as yield is the criteria.
I doubt if any of you will grow your next crop without trying to
improve something over this one. Maximizing yield is just one
aspect of cultivating this thing we call cannabis. Having an
edge in doing so can go a long way.
All we need now are more entries to the list.
How about it folks, post yer yields. No email please.
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************* HOW TO MAKE A YOR CONTRIBUTION ***************
**************************************************************
Three things you ABSOLUTELY NEED TO KNOW to make calculations:
1-Canopy size
2-Accurate weighed yield
3-Wattage of lights used for that harvest
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What to Include & How to Calculate:
** Canopy area in square feet **
This requires an "accurate" measurement of the garden's canopy.
The canopy is the green mass of growth that faces the primary
light source, usually above the plants. Floor/shelf space is
NOT the same as canopy area unless your canopy is contained
within those same dimensions. Canopy could also be described as
the horizontal area you expect to fill with growth, or confine
the growth to.
With gardens designed for side lighting, measure the area of the
sides where the lighting is installed.
(for Phototrons use 8.00 square ft)
If you didn't didn't confine the growth to an area, or didn't know
what growth to expect, take an actual measurement of the canopy at
harvest then convert it to square feet. Use that as your canopy sq ft.
If you need help with the math, get it. NO GUESSES PLEASE.
(To convert sq metre to sq feet multiply sq metre by 10.76)
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** GRAMS DRYWT **
Dry Weight in Grams (per square foot of canopy).
Dry weight is considered to be 25% of the fresh weight. If all
you have is fresh weight use 1/4 of that figure, or multiply by
.25 to get dry weight. Once you have the dry weight total divide
it by the canopy square footage (as calculated above) to arrive
at the dry weight per square foot of canopy. If all you weigh is
ounces multiply that figure by 28.4 to get grams.
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** HVST (harvest) **
Is your dry weight that of:
MAN = manicured buds
RAW = raw buds
LEF = leaves only
ALL = all the above
Try to supply manicured bud weight if at all possible, this is
what most of us really want to know. In any event DO mention
which of the above your dry weight includes so that it's valid,
and not questionable.
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** WATTS/LIGHTING **
Wattage (per square foot of canopy) & light type.
Add the watts rating of all your bulbs used during flowering,
then divide that figure by the square feet of canopy (as calculated
above). That's your watts per square foot.
Include the type(s) of lights used
HPS = High Pressure Sodium
MH = Metal Halide
MV = Mercury Vapor
FLOR = Fluorescent
INDICATOR CHARACTERS for light types:
+ = Multiple top lighting types
/ = Side lighting prefix
\ = Phototron additional light prefix
* = Light mover suffix
! = Sequential lighting suffix
T = Phototron suffix
If a combination of different types are used for top lighting
use a + (plus character) between each in the list.
eg: HPS+MH
When side lighting is used to augment top lighting it will follow
the other light types in the list separated by a / (slash character).
eg: HPS+MH/FLOR
Sidelight "only" gardens will have the entire light type entry
prefixed with a / (slash character).
eg: /FLOR
If a light mover was employed add an asterisk after the light type(s).
eg: HPS+MH*/FLOR
Sequential Lighting is used occasionally, and will be indicated by an
exclamation character "!" following the light type. This means that
lights other than those shown in the entry were used briefly to either
initiate flowering, or as a transtition buffer to prepare plants for the
lights to be used for the majority of the flowering time. They could
have been of a different type and wattage. In all cases, the light types
and watts/sq ft listed in the entry were the primary lights used to bring
the crop to harvest.
Special Phototron Users Note: /FLOR is the default phototron lighting
configuration and should be used for all trons. When other lights are
used to augment the trons default (whether thru the top or sides of the
unit), that light type will follow the default and be prefixed with a \
backslash character. In all cases, tron light type will end with a space
then "T" to indicate the unit was a Tron.
eg: /FLOR T indicates a standard tron lighting configuration.
/FLOR\FLOR T indicates additional fluoros were used with a tron.
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** MEDIUM,STOCK **
MEDIUM
SOIL = Soil based, nutrients are in the medium.
HYDR = Hydroponic (soilless) nutrients are in solution, medium is sterile.
TRON = Phototron, use this as a medium entry "only" if you use Pyraponics
medium and nutrients. If you use a Phototron but don't use
Pyroponics methods then enter either SOIL or HYDR, whichever is
more appropriate.
STOCK
Plants for this crop were derived from:
SEED = Plants are from germinated seeds
CLON = Clones
MIX = Combination of clones and plants from seed
REVE = Plants revegetated from flowering plants
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** plants/sq ft (optional) **
Plant spacing.
You can include as an option the number of plants/sq ft (divide the number
of plants by the sq ft of canopy). The results will be posted as
MEDIUM,STOCK 0.00. eg-HYDR,CLON 0.08 would indicate one plant with a 12 sq
ft canopy, and HYDR,CLON 1.00 would indicate one plant/sq ft of canopy.
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** variety (optional) **
Because almost all contributors have included their variety, and many
feel it important to list, I've created a key to reference same. The
key lists only generic varieties, any subsequent crosses or
sub-varieties are noted in the entry by using the "x" indicator to
show a crossed breed was created (eg- AxB). Multiple varieties are
separated by a comma (eg- A,B). Since we're looking at yield, when
mention is made of multiple varieties in one harvest, there's no way
to know how much of the yield is for which variety. I'll make an effort
to keep these entries as consistant as possible for sorting purposes.
If you know your variety mention it in your comments below.
If it doesn't exist in the key that's OK, I'll try to find a
way to fit it in. If you don't know that's OK too, it's optional.
A seed bank report is regurlarly posted to adpc. Your opinions would be
helpful to the author and to others. So if possible include the seed
bank name and any info relating to them, and their seeds performance.
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** hrs/day (optional) **
Along with the variety info you may want to include the number of days
it took the crop to mature from the first day you put the plants into
flowering to the day you harvested. Also needed is the number of hours
of light you gave your plants each day during this flowering period.
This info is for induction-to-harvest days ONLY, do not include any
days spent vegetating before you begun flowering.
The results will be posted as (n/nn) where n=hours of light, and
nn=number of days to mature.
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** cypher garden (optional) **
Pick a letter from each of the cyphers that best describes that part
of your garden. Enter that letter under the numbered column for that
cypher. If you can't find a description, or would rather not include
that information, put a minus sign in its place. With the minus sign
all six characters will be filled to avoid any confusion over blanks.
If you can't find a description that applies to you please add a
comment to your entry stating what it would be.
An entry for an ebb/flow system using Geolite, a trellis, no CO2, General
Hydro nutrients, and no limiting factors would look like this:
cypher
garden
123456
EGTEGS
At your discretion you may post pics relating to your contribution.
Please see the Newbie Resources post for instructions on how to do
this. Then when you make the below contribution, add to it the
subject line references needed to find your pics.
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***** Snip here and post only what's below to ******
***** alt.drugs.pot.cultivation ******
*** Don't forget to add *NEW* to the subject line ***
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Your Info:
All grams and watts values are per square foot of garden canopy:
GRAMS MEDIUM, cypher
Seq DRYWT HVST WATTS/LIGHTING ,STOCK@sqft variety hrs/day garden
--- ----- ---- --------------- --------- ---- ------- ------- 123456
Your additional comments:
Please post any comments or suggestions to a.d.p.c, no email please.
Using an anonymous remailer to post is always a good idea.